June 9, 2006: Immigration

Re: Our World - Immigration - Questions to be Asked and Answered Posted by Bill Narvey on 13:13:52 2006/06/06. In Reply to: Re: Our World: The path to our destruction posted by mmaxx

[....] If all Muslim immigration is barred, that directly impacts on those barred, but those barred are not yet in Canada, so no rights Canada affords its citizens and those of other status residing or visiting here accrue to those who have not entered Canada? Does such bar on immigration deny the rights of those Muslims already in Canada and if so, what specific rights does such an immigration policy affecting others infringe or transgress? [....]

If all Muslim immigration is barred, that directly impacts on those barred, but those barred are not yet in Canada, so no rights Canada affords its citizens and those of other status residing or visiting here accrue to those who have not entered Canada? Does such bar on immigration deny the rights of those Muslims already in Canada and if so, what specific rights does such an immigration policy affecting others infringe or transgress? [....]

My comments:

Re: "In more extremely dangerous situations where all Canadians or citizens of other nations are in immediate danger, then one cannot afford the luxury of time [to]consider what the right questions are and to mull over answers to those questions. Rather an immediate response is necessitated by the immediacy of a threat."

I suggest that the laxity on immigration and carelessness about Canadians' security in the recent past and the extremely dangerous situation we are in now, place us in the kind of situation where the PM, his government and the Opposition should act to stem the tide NOW and work out the fine points later. (There have been enough apologies for actions taken in the past, some good, some bad. The times sometimes dictate action, not mulling over.)

That, combined with Muslims using our freedoms and laws to fight every attempt to stem the entry of dangerous people and to force us to accept their ways--radicalized imams preaching hate in mosques and even around or in universities, shariah, demanding too much tolerance related to Wahhabi education, the veil, treatment of women, attempts or refusal to have some (which? all?) burka-clad women's faces shown in passports, et cetera--along with the government's pandering to the "ethical" pronouncements from the UN about "rights" that have been slavishly followed by previous governments to the general detriment of Canadian citizens -- all mean we may have a situation which is already out of control.

No-one asked Canadians what they wanted nor what they want now. From the polls in the Globe and Mail today, I believe Canadians are a bit wiser now. Sometimes, like a parent, a government must put its foot down and declare something verboten, just because there is a sense of danger and it is better act in the interests of safety. That time is now.

I do not at this point care about the rights of immigrants from jihadi producing nations to bring their relatives here. I have a right to feel secure from alien threats and the potential for such. End all immigration of Muslims until the problem of Canadians becoming jihadis is fixed. That is, tackle the problem of how/why these Canadian-born jihadis are being produced and deal with that. Then worry about the rest.

I have heard enough for a lifetime about the "rights" of minorities and people from Canadian sub-groups whose "rights" have trumped my rights, too often. I am concerned about Muslims, not immigrants from Hindu countries (except their Muslims) nor Buddhists, nor Jews nor those from any number of other religious groups.

Get rid of the transnational problem; tackle the national problem; then talk to people like me about how many angels can sit on the "tolerance, reason and rights" head of a pin.

Reasoning and cogitating over the questions Bill Narvey raised--good and reasonable questions--may seem like a worthwhile endeavour, but I want action. The time for too much consideration of the rights of one subgroup [to bring in their relatives] identified by religion is long past.

Is that too right wing for this forum [CCD]? Que lastima! I simply don't care any more. I have the advantage over many in that I am willing to say it and write it ... before I am bombed into jihadi heaven and find there are no ... raisins(?) for women.